Specs for Compressor - Calsonic 73111FA132 AND discussion on substitutions for Subaru Ej25/22

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Re: Specs for Compressor - Calsonic 73111FA132

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bohica2xo wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:01 pm Looks like you don't have a lot of axial space for the compressor

Axial – is that from pully to rear, like along the axle? (probably a DUH question and do please confirm.)


bohica2xo wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:01 pm Here is the direct mount SD7h15, also available in a serpentine belt:



https://www.ackits.com/comp-flx7-4419-p ... 4-SD4419NC

The SD7h15 is 154.7cc vs the FS10 at 178cc which is a 13% reduction.


bohica2xo wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:37 pm The SD7H15 maxes out around 34,000 Btu/h @ 4000 rpm compressor speed. At 1500 rpm you will see about 14,000 btu/h. And it will take about 10 horsepower at full output. In reality at cruising rpm, plan on 23,000 to 27,000 btu/h output.
Can the SD7H15 really fully use the 32k/36k Evaporator?

I'm guessing the Sanden (though not pictured) can be had in vertical connections? I do like that Sanden uses separate nut connections rather than the combination peanut. Seems like there are more set-up options with the separate nut connections. And do I recall correctly that the Sanded rear can be clocked to put the connections at any angle?

For the “compressor speed (RPM?)” shall I measure the engine crankshaft pulley and then is there a quick formula/calculator or shall I hard calculate circumference ratios?


bohica2xo wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:01 pm How much vertical height do you have above that existing compressor to work with?
I'll guess about 3" above the body of the compressor. I'll check and re-post either way tomorrow. I figured its enough for a 90deg connector.


bohica2xo wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:01 pm Because we are not out of compressor options yet...
YAY! I love options! Thank you for your help on this! I wouldn't know where to start with all these different compressors.

Thanks!
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Re: Specs for Compressor - Calsonic 73111FA132 AND discussion on substitutions for Subaru Ej25/22

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Ok, I will try to hit two posts worth of questions here.

Enough power? Well Ford used the FS10 virtually everywhere for years. That would include the 1992 - 2002 Ford Escort with the 2.0L engine.

Axial means along the shaft axis of the compressor

The Sanden compressor is available in dozens of configurations. Heads with radial ports, bolt on manifolds, etc. But they can be somewhat bulky, and as you have pointed out have less displacement.

Compressor speed calculations. Yes, just use the diametral ratios. Which takes us back to displacement. You rarely get a lot of options for drive ratios. The crankshaft pulley diameter is usually difficult to change. Most compressors don't like to spin over 6000 rpm for very long. The SD7H15's make maximum volume output at 4000. So depending on the engine speed range during normal operation, pulley size and displacement there is a lot of actual range in the true compressor output.


3 Inches of vertical space above the compressor kills one choice. The York / Tecumseh / TCCI compressor. Compact where your space is limited, but too tall to fit vertically.

The FS10 is not a bad choice. There are literally millions of them out there. I see dead ones usually due to lack of lubrication. Like a 2 stroke engine they are 100% lubricated by the oil mist passing through them. Running on a low charge, jumper wires in cycling switches, etc. can all damage a compressor.

Your space constraints mean you need a specific pattern of FS10. Some models have ports on one side, instead of the rear. This gives you a place to mount a manifold on "top" of the compressor with it installed on your engine with the mounting bolts horizontal. There are various manifolds available to direct the suction and discharge towards the passenger side of your engine, or the rear of the vehicle if you like.

I see what looks like a speed sensor on your existing compressor. That may mean a little tweaking in the OEM PCM if you use the A/C signal from the PCM to run the compressor.

I can ask Tim to add a catalog listing for New quality FS10 with side ports if you are interested. Various hose manifolds are available, some OEM, some aftermarket. The compressor remains the same. Some manifolds can be scavenged from the wrecking yard if that is something you are willing to do.
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Here is the FS10 that would fit well:

https://www.ackits.com/2005/ford-113583 ... clock-3651

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Re: Specs for Compressor - Calsonic 73111FA132 AND discussion on substitutions for Subaru Ej25/22

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bohica2xo wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 9:01 am Here is the FS10 that would fit well:

https://www.ackits.com/2005/ford-113583 ... clock-3651

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Re: Specs for Compressor - Calsonic 73111FA132 AND discussion on substitutions for Subaru Ej25/22

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Tim wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 9:03 am
bohica2xo wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 9:01 am Here is the FS10 that would fit well:

https://www.ackits.com/2005/ford-113583 ... clock-3651

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How does one get to those item pages? from the home page, under categories, the only compressor options take me to here which covers only the tab Sandens https://www.ackits.com/product-categori ... ors-alpha/

This particular one linked above has the pully farther forward from the body than some others I've seen. I think one closer to the body would be an easier fit so would like to se what other options exist.
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Re: Specs for Compressor - Calsonic 73111FA132 AND discussion on substitutions for Subaru Ej25/22

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Tim wrote: Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:06 amShop by vehicle.
Thanks for the reply.

The Catch 22 dilemma (or is it the Chicken and Egg dilemma) - So many Ford models and years to choose from to see the different options. :( .. At least I now know it is a Ford application.

So thankful for ya'll knowledge to know where to look and sieve through the options!

Might there be a FS10 configurator like Sanden has for body type, fitting type/location, pulley type?
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FS10 compressors were OEM Ford parts. There is no aftermarket, so you simply need to either know the Ford line up or look at a lot of cars.

The 3 mounting bolt configuration with the ports on the side is about 15% of the Ford models. That particular compressor I posted has the coil connector located at 3 o'clock from the ports so it is in the right spot for your application.
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Re: Specs for Compressor - Calsonic 73111FA132 AND discussion on substitutions for Subaru Ej25/22

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re^...OK, will ponder and research and will also rely to your prior questions when I can measure the vehicle top clearance etc. Thanks for all your input.
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